1 00:00:22,510 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:25,130 hello and welcome to the skeptics on an 3 00:00:32,210 --> 00:00:29,039 episode about 345 for the 31st of may 4 00:00:35,630 --> 00:00:32,220 the last day of me 2015 Richard Saunders 5 00:00:38,780 --> 00:00:35,640 with Joe alabaster it's the last day of 6 00:00:41,450 --> 00:00:38,790 autumn in Australia it is it is indeed 7 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:41,460 and other parts of the world the first 8 00:00:46,070 --> 00:00:43,680 day of winter is actually the 21st or 9 00:00:47,869 --> 00:00:46,080 that is the 22nd of june or something 10 00:00:49,610 --> 00:00:47,879 like that we've got funny seasons in 11 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:49,620 australia years ago the government 12 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:52,140 changed the dates of the seasons well 13 00:00:57,470 --> 00:00:54,809 what are they covering up it's a 14 00:00:59,840 --> 00:00:57,480 conspiracy I'm sure thanks for being 15 00:01:02,209 --> 00:00:59,850 here for the introduction this week Joe 16 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:02,219 because you and I spent the afternoon at 17 00:01:07,430 --> 00:01:04,890 mind-body wallet here in Sydney oh it 18 00:01:09,889 --> 00:01:07,440 did indeed we did indeed it was a long 19 00:01:11,660 --> 00:01:09,899 afternoon it was a long afternoon indeed 20 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:11,670 and I think we'll have a brief report 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:14,369 about mind body wallet next week Joe I 22 00:01:17,810 --> 00:01:16,050 try to go every six months cuz that's 23 00:01:19,940 --> 00:01:17,820 what it is in Sydney every six months 24 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:19,950 and there are mind body spirit mind body 25 00:01:24,139 --> 00:01:22,350 while we call them festivals New Age 26 00:01:26,660 --> 00:01:24,149 fairs all around the world and I always 27 00:01:31,279 --> 00:01:26,670 encourage people to go skeptics to go 28 00:01:33,469 --> 00:01:31,289 and well watch and learn and ask 29 00:01:36,199 --> 00:01:33,479 questions don't you think very much so 30 00:01:39,499 --> 00:01:36,209 it's a very good way to find out what 31 00:01:42,109 --> 00:01:39,509 sort of the the hot woo is at the time I 32 00:01:44,389 --> 00:01:42,119 noticed a lot of magnesium seemed to 33 00:01:47,540 --> 00:01:44,399 magnesium you know what I noticed that a 34 00:01:50,839 --> 00:01:47,550 lot of people were selling devices 35 00:01:54,260 --> 00:01:50,849 medical devices which diagnostic reasons 36 00:01:56,719 --> 00:01:54,270 or whatever and at least three of them 37 00:01:58,609 --> 00:01:56,729 said when asked why isn't why don't we 38 00:02:00,859 --> 00:01:58,619 see this in hospitals and dr surgeries 39 00:02:04,339 --> 00:02:00,869 they say well it's big and Russia Russia 40 00:02:05,690 --> 00:02:04,349 Russia the pinnacle of fantastic medical 41 00:02:08,410 --> 00:02:05,700 care I guess although we did have one 42 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:08,420 person saying that their device was 43 00:02:14,270 --> 00:02:12,090 found in every hospital in mexico in 44 00:02:15,890 --> 00:02:14,280 mexico who was that i can't remember one 45 00:02:18,589 --> 00:02:15,900 at one of the device there was a device 46 00:02:20,119 --> 00:02:18,599 there that scanned your hair they could 47 00:02:22,820 --> 00:02:20,129 take a little clipping of your hair put 48 00:02:26,150 --> 00:02:22,830 it on a little pad the size of an iphone 49 00:02:28,220 --> 00:02:26,160 it's somehow magically scans it sends 50 00:02:30,979 --> 00:02:28,230 that information to a supercomputer in 51 00:02:33,130 --> 00:02:30,989 germany and you get a 30 page report 52 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:33,140 back about your health how about that 53 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:34,530 that's 54 00:02:39,710 --> 00:02:37,260 fantastic a fantastic claim it is a 55 00:02:41,570 --> 00:02:39,720 fantastic claim anyway that's mine buddy 56 00:02:43,070 --> 00:02:41,580 wallet again we'll have a short report 57 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:43,080 about that next week we're coming off on 58 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:45,450 this week's show Maynard spooky action 59 00:02:50,809 --> 00:02:47,490 may not head it up to a not far from 60 00:02:52,550 --> 00:02:50,819 where you live Joe follow at katoomba in 61 00:02:55,130 --> 00:02:52,560 the Blue Mountains and he went to 62 00:02:57,550 --> 00:02:55,140 Paracon 2015 a paranormal convention and 63 00:03:01,670 --> 00:02:57,560 he chats too many people including 64 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:01,680 Travis Walton who is well sort of famous 65 00:03:09,860 --> 00:03:05,250 in the UFO circles cuz he claimed he was 66 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:09,870 abducted in 1975 which was what a good 67 00:03:16,460 --> 00:03:14,970 40 years ago now I i yes I hope it's 68 00:03:17,930 --> 00:03:16,470 been a good 40 years I hope it's been a 69 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:17,940 good for years and for you and everybody 70 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:20,730 is especially faking it but the thing is 71 00:03:26,660 --> 00:03:23,250 with this series of interviews men are 72 00:03:29,390 --> 00:03:26,670 bringing us this week I'd it's really 73 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:29,400 for you dear audience to put on your 74 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:30,840 thinking caps and think about the 75 00:03:34,370 --> 00:03:32,850 logical fallacies and the arguments and 76 00:03:36,290 --> 00:03:34,380 the reasoning these people put up 77 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:36,300 Maynard does a great job in interviewing 78 00:03:40,190 --> 00:03:38,610 these people and he's not there to pick 79 00:03:42,140 --> 00:03:40,200 holes in them he's there to let them 80 00:03:43,670 --> 00:03:42,150 talk for your benefit which i think is a 81 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:43,680 good thing I think it's a fantastic 82 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:45,930 thing I'm very glad that he does that me 83 00:03:51,770 --> 00:03:49,440 to learn a lot from Maynard's interviews 84 00:03:53,150 --> 00:03:51,780 this week following that it's a week in 85 00:03:56,930 --> 00:03:53,160 science from our dear friends at the 86 00:04:00,170 --> 00:03:56,940 Royal Institution of Australia w WR I a 87 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:00,180 u.s. door got a you and then may night 88 00:04:08,509 --> 00:04:03,450 and I attend the very first meetup group 89 00:04:10,430 --> 00:04:08,519 meeting of podcasting Sydney doctors 90 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:10,440 Siobhan O'Sullivan who we had the 91 00:04:14,060 --> 00:04:11,910 pleasure of meeting put has put this 92 00:04:16,219 --> 00:04:14,070 together and she has her own podcast 93 00:04:20,150 --> 00:04:16,229 which we hear about in this little 94 00:04:22,159 --> 00:04:20,160 report from podcasting Sydney the first 95 00:04:25,730 --> 00:04:22,169 meet up and we hope there'll be many 96 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:25,740 more in fact the next meetup for Sydney 97 00:04:29,779 --> 00:04:27,930 podcasters is going to be a fantastic 98 00:04:31,820 --> 00:04:29,789 one because I believe may not will be 99 00:04:34,850 --> 00:04:31,830 speaking sharing his experiences with 100 00:04:38,540 --> 00:04:34,860 podcasting that's going to be on Monday 101 00:04:43,270 --> 00:04:38,550 jun 29th 2015 and you can get more 102 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:43,280 details by going to meetup.com / 103 00:04:48,020 --> 00:04:45,990 podcasting dash sydney and that will 104 00:04:49,340 --> 00:04:48,030 give you an event listing and everyone 105 00:04:51,590 --> 00:04:49,350 welcome to come in here may not talk 106 00:04:53,900 --> 00:04:51,600 about podcasting Sydney podcasters 107 00:04:56,270 --> 00:04:53,910 there's the clue there's your message or 108 00:05:00,380 --> 00:04:56,280 just google Sydney podcasters or go to 109 00:05:03,260 --> 00:05:00,390 meet up meetup com and look for Sydney 110 00:05:06,410 --> 00:05:03,270 podcasting fantastic and after that it's 111 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:06,420 well what is it Joe it's evidence please 112 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:09,750 with Joe alabaster with you with me what 113 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:11,580 are you talking about this week this 114 00:05:17,780 --> 00:05:14,490 week I'm talking about Blackmore's who 115 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:17,790 have funded Sydney University to have a 116 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:20,610 chair in integrative medicine now 117 00:05:24,710 --> 00:05:23,130 Blackmore's is a basically a vitamin and 118 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:24,720 supplement company that's the one 119 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:26,070 they've been going for quite some time 120 00:05:30,380 --> 00:05:28,860 now yes they have well the Australian 121 00:05:31,970 --> 00:05:30,390 skeptic put out a press release about 122 00:05:34,430 --> 00:05:31,980 this very issue and that's what Joe will 123 00:05:37,010 --> 00:05:34,440 be telling us about later on in the show 124 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:37,020 and to round off the show a short report 125 00:05:42,230 --> 00:05:39,900 from skeptic amp which was just ah just 126 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:42,240 the other day here in Sydney yesterday 127 00:05:45,890 --> 00:05:44,250 it was yesterday as we record this 128 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:45,900 Joella bastyr and I went along with a 129 00:05:51,410 --> 00:05:47,490 lot of other people or answer give was 130 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:51,420 there and well this week Joe I must say 131 00:05:54,770 --> 00:05:53,280 there are few more reports coming up in 132 00:05:56,780 --> 00:05:54,780 the following weeks about from skepta 133 00:06:00,020 --> 00:05:56,790 camper this week we concentrate on 134 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:00,030 cupcakes very important skeptical 135 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:03,540 business yum yummy skeptical business we 136 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:05,610 we also hear a little bit from the 137 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:07,650 Atheist choir who popped in to sing a 138 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:11,010 few songs indeed ah well you know what 139 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:13,110 Joe I think it's time for me and you to 140 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:16,560 run downstairs Oh run downstairs fight 141 00:06:20,510 --> 00:06:18,960 our way past Fred probably getting under 142 00:06:22,310 --> 00:06:20,520 our feet as we run down the stairs that 143 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:22,320 I saw Fred a little while ago I don't 144 00:06:26,060 --> 00:06:24,210 know where he's probably looking for 145 00:06:28,570 --> 00:06:26,070 some more cat food what are we going to 146 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:28,580 have this week Joe from the kitchen I 147 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:32,010 think I I don't know about you but I 148 00:06:36,050 --> 00:06:33,840 think I might go for some beet root 149 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:36,060 chips that we picked up at mind-body 150 00:06:41,660 --> 00:06:39,450 wallet and then remember when I brush my 151 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:41,670 teeth later on that I ate some beet root 152 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:43,650 chips and I'm not spitting out blood 153 00:06:49,940 --> 00:06:47,850 it's a good thing you can do that I'm 154 00:06:51,950 --> 00:06:49,950 going to have some soup made well 155 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:51,960 they're served with a loch ness monster 156 00:06:57,590 --> 00:06:54,890 ladle and suggested by you on facebook 157 00:06:59,390 --> 00:06:57,600 yes we need some more suggestions people 158 00:07:00,650 --> 00:06:59,400 if you can give us some ideas for things 159 00:07:02,230 --> 00:07:00,660 that Richard can get when it goes 160 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:02,240 downstairs there would be found 161 00:07:07,070 --> 00:07:04,890 that would be I might cook sum up the 162 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:07,080 skeptics own recipe book there's 163 00:07:11,420 --> 00:07:08,220 something to think about for the future 164 00:07:13,220 --> 00:07:11,430 folks ooh Joe's got this look on her 165 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:13,230 face singing that's a good idea I'm 166 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:14,490 actually trying to think of a really 167 00:07:18,260 --> 00:07:15,930 good pun but I'm not going to get one in 168 00:07:19,730 --> 00:07:18,270 time Thank You Gavin to soar that well 169 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:19,740 we're trying to think of a good pun in 170 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:21,690 enjoying those lovely things we hope you 171 00:07:50,159 --> 00:07:41,930 enjoy the skeptic zone years may not 172 00:07:55,830 --> 00:07:53,610 well as you are in for a treat on this 173 00:07:57,899 --> 00:07:55,840 episode normally it's spooky action at a 174 00:08:00,420 --> 00:07:57,909 distance but man we're getting spooky up 175 00:08:03,629 --> 00:08:00,430 close I'm hoping to talk to Travis 176 00:08:06,059 --> 00:08:03,639 Walton of course famous abductee 177 00:08:08,249 --> 00:08:06,069 disappeared for five days multiple 178 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:08,259 witnesses saw a 'light knock him to the 179 00:08:12,179 --> 00:08:11,050 ground and having a chat to him of 180 00:08:14,850 --> 00:08:12,189 course I'll be having a chat with Ben 181 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:14,860 Hansen we'd know him from the fact or 182 00:08:21,149 --> 00:08:19,090 faked show of course and don't just look 183 00:08:23,730 --> 00:08:21,159 we're inside the famous Carrington hotel 184 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:23,740 in consumer it's a beautiful clear sky 185 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:26,710 above us here and inside its I guess 186 00:08:29,579 --> 00:08:28,210 some people consider it's the opposite 187 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:29,589 of a skeptics convention but when you 188 00:08:32,850 --> 00:08:31,089 think about it not really a lot of 189 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:32,860 people are looking for answers to the 190 00:08:37,079 --> 00:08:34,930 paranormal here just a level of evidence 191 00:08:38,639 --> 00:08:37,089 they accept is somewhat different than 192 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:38,649 what do you expect at a skeptics 193 00:08:42,990 --> 00:08:40,810 convention it's also where many people 194 00:08:45,870 --> 00:08:43,000 from the Australian paranormal community 195 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:45,880 come together ghost hunters UFO hunters 196 00:08:50,990 --> 00:08:48,130 people looking at anomalous situations 197 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:51,000 all here for big weekend of para con 198 00:08:54,420 --> 00:08:53,110 2015 last year was at Maitland jail 199 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:54,430 which is a bit of a blowout that was the 200 00:08:58,199 --> 00:08:56,410 first one this is only the second one of 201 00:09:00,269 --> 00:08:58,209 course they had some big heavy hitters 202 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:00,279 in the paranormal world giving chats 203 00:09:04,650 --> 00:09:02,320 over the past three days it's very 204 00:09:07,470 --> 00:09:04,660 stately in fact if there's any ghosts in 205 00:09:10,139 --> 00:09:07,480 Katoomba i would expect them to be in 206 00:09:13,319 --> 00:09:10,149 the carrington hotel it's quite palatial 207 00:09:15,569 --> 00:09:13,329 if not a touch cold here i am i'm 208 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:15,579 chatting with alex cares now cuz he had 209 00:09:20,250 --> 00:09:18,760 the big power connie be broke them big 210 00:09:21,930 --> 00:09:20,260 barriers by having one of australia's 211 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:21,940 big first paranormal conferences in 212 00:09:25,590 --> 00:09:23,920 recent years it made them jail last year 213 00:09:27,030 --> 00:09:25,600 how's it been going to khatoon be here 214 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:27,040 yeah we're having a lot of fun here at 215 00:09:31,350 --> 00:09:29,170 the carrington we've doubled last year's 216 00:09:34,439 --> 00:09:31,360 numbers we've paid tickets at the door 217 00:09:35,610 --> 00:09:34,449 so it's growing and what do people seem 218 00:09:38,069 --> 00:09:35,620 to be interested obviously there's a 219 00:09:40,110 --> 00:09:38,079 draw with Travis Walton added up 220 00:09:42,420 --> 00:09:40,120 abductee here but what else is Megan 221 00:09:43,620 --> 00:09:42,430 well I do try to cater to all arms of 222 00:09:46,319 --> 00:09:43,630 the paranormal but yeah definitely 223 00:09:49,139 --> 00:09:46,329 travis has been a drawcard we have tried 224 00:09:50,490 --> 00:09:49,149 to up the UFO ET content this year 225 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:50,500 because you don't see a lot of it mixed 226 00:09:56,100 --> 00:09:53,110 in so that's been big this year so yeah 227 00:09:58,350 --> 00:09:56,110 I guess more the UFO et contact let's do 228 00:10:00,300 --> 00:09:58,360 some skeptical stuff creeping into I see 229 00:10:02,070 --> 00:10:00,310 people talking about how to try and 230 00:10:03,900 --> 00:10:02,080 investigate a situation in the car 231 00:10:05,940 --> 00:10:03,910 way and get the best evidence going on 232 00:10:07,890 --> 00:10:05,950 here oh yeah again you have to cater to 233 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:07,900 everyone then investigators take it very 234 00:10:11,790 --> 00:10:10,120 seriously they want to learn how to 235 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:11,800 develop their techniques and their 236 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:16,660 skills to also debunk and get to the 237 00:10:20,580 --> 00:10:18,310 right conclusion that's not necessarily 238 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:20,590 a paranormal one it's also a bit of a 239 00:10:23,580 --> 00:10:21,850 getting together for people from the 240 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:23,590 paranormal community around Australia 241 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:25,330 you've got your ghost hunters a few UFO 242 00:10:28,860 --> 00:10:27,250 funded hunters here just people getting 243 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:28,870 together that don't normally get 244 00:10:32,460 --> 00:10:30,490 together in one place definitely that's 245 00:10:34,350 --> 00:10:32,470 what I like to do as well it's a bit of 246 00:10:36,210 --> 00:10:34,360 a band camp we think or get together 247 00:10:38,010 --> 00:10:36,220 have some fun we had the opening night 248 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:38,020 party where everyone you know let their 249 00:10:42,270 --> 00:10:40,450 hair down and started to gel and in the 250 00:10:44,580 --> 00:10:42,280 days yeah lots of interaction you know 251 00:10:46,350 --> 00:10:44,590 as i said i like everyone together so 252 00:10:49,230 --> 00:10:46,360 you think you'll be doing one again most 253 00:10:51,180 --> 00:10:49,240 certainly um i'm here with travis walton 254 00:10:53,910 --> 00:10:51,190 and in the skeptical people make a big 255 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:53,920 idea about exceptional claims an 256 00:10:57,450 --> 00:10:55,510 exceptional evidence so i think we would 257 00:10:59,460 --> 00:10:57,460 someone who is an example of exceptional 258 00:11:01,350 --> 00:10:59,470 evidence we have someone who a number of 259 00:11:02,670 --> 00:11:01,360 people saw hit by a beam of light I 260 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:02,680 don't want you to go through the whole 261 00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:04,330 experience with this I want people who 262 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:07,270 looked it up online but how have you 263 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:09,610 come to reconcile that all these years 264 00:11:14,060 --> 00:11:10,990 later because I saw your talking up 265 00:11:16,620 --> 00:11:14,070 there quite professionally and quite 266 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:16,630 well about the whole incident when were 267 00:11:21,630 --> 00:11:19,240 you finally able to do that well it's 268 00:11:24,510 --> 00:11:21,640 been a real gradual process because you 269 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:24,520 know early on you know in high school I 270 00:11:28,110 --> 00:11:25,930 was the guy who didn't want to talk in 271 00:11:31,110 --> 00:11:28,120 front of the class so you know I never 272 00:11:33,870 --> 00:11:31,120 was somebody wanted to get out there and 273 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:33,880 it was really quite reluctantly that 274 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:36,730 that I've done so but you know as far as 275 00:11:44,190 --> 00:11:39,250 extraordinary claims are concerned you 276 00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:44,200 know dr. harder made the point that the 277 00:11:48,450 --> 00:11:46,240 evidence in this case would have been 278 00:11:51,300 --> 00:11:48,460 sufficient to convict someone of murder 279 00:11:53,490 --> 00:11:51,310 in an American court of law how many on 280 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:53,500 eyewitnesses did you have yeah there 281 00:11:59,520 --> 00:11:56,770 were six witnesses have seven including 282 00:12:01,200 --> 00:11:59,530 myself and if you had six people say 283 00:12:03,810 --> 00:12:01,210 that they saw someone commit a murder 284 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:03,820 without lie detector test that would 285 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:05,250 have been sufficient open-and-shut 286 00:12:13,450 --> 00:12:07,010 conviction death been 287 00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:13,460 they may be so you know either the the 288 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:16,790 bars too low for murder convictions or 289 00:12:25,090 --> 00:12:19,130 it's being artificially elevated in the 290 00:12:27,310 --> 00:12:25,100 case of UFO reports so you know what 291 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:27,320 more do you want yeah hello yeah because 292 00:12:29,950 --> 00:12:28,850 of course you say for some people no 293 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:29,960 amount of evidence would it would be 294 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:32,510 enough yeah so you no matter what we 295 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:34,310 come up with they'll always be able to 296 00:12:41,050 --> 00:12:37,730 concoct some sort of a scenario it's not 297 00:12:43,450 --> 00:12:41,060 absolute proof I'll acknowledge that 298 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:43,460 it's not absolute proof but it's 299 00:12:48,060 --> 00:12:45,530 certainly the kind of evidence that 300 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:48,070 people except for all kinds of things 301 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:51,770 outside of UFOs and you said that you 302 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:53,930 haven't sought publicity except when 303 00:12:56,970 --> 00:12:55,850 people come out and rubbish you or the 304 00:12:59,860 --> 00:12:56,980 name of your family and your friends 305 00:13:01,990 --> 00:12:59,870 yeah I've never sought out an interview 306 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:02,000 in my life they always have come to me 307 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:04,220 and the idea that I was a publicity 308 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:07,610 seeker was kind of absurd being as I was 309 00:13:12,810 --> 00:13:09,430 hiding out from the media for weeks 310 00:13:15,970 --> 00:13:12,820 while they were clamoring for interviews 311 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:15,980 so it's quite the opposite and you also 312 00:13:18,970 --> 00:13:17,510 have said that the people that seem to 313 00:13:20,830 --> 00:13:18,980 say the worst things about you are the 314 00:13:22,990 --> 00:13:20,840 people that know the least about you 315 00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:23,000 yeah and that's that's even true of the 316 00:13:26,740 --> 00:13:24,980 movie reviews the worst movie reviews 317 00:13:28,780 --> 00:13:26,750 were evidently written by people who 318 00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:28,790 never actually watched the movie you 319 00:13:33,550 --> 00:13:30,950 know they made criticisms that really 320 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:33,560 showed they didn't even see the movie 321 00:13:37,750 --> 00:13:35,930 yeah and of course the movie has been 322 00:13:39,370 --> 00:13:37,760 Hollywood eyes of course it had to been 323 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:39,380 done and changed for various fictional 324 00:13:44,170 --> 00:13:42,470 reasons but how close does it stick to 325 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:44,180 your story do you believe when you first 326 00:13:49,210 --> 00:13:47,210 saw it we going here well the original 327 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:49,220 script was much closer and it was only 328 00:13:58,810 --> 00:13:53,810 after a television series came on that 329 00:14:01,690 --> 00:13:58,820 depicted similar beings did the studio 330 00:14:04,330 --> 00:14:01,700 insist on changing the things that 331 00:14:07,270 --> 00:14:04,340 happened aboard the craft so people ask 332 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:07,280 me how accurate is it and you know that 333 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:09,650 I jokingly quantify it 80 334 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:12,010 two-point-three percent or something but 335 00:14:17,199 --> 00:14:14,570 you know the part of where the craft is 336 00:14:18,579 --> 00:14:17,209 where the greatest fictionalization 337 00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:18,589 occurred you know they made it look 338 00:14:22,780 --> 00:14:20,720 cluttered and organic when it was 339 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:22,790 actually very sterile and mechanical 340 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:26,410 inside and so I've been collecting 341 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:28,970 emails from people over the years that 342 00:14:33,939 --> 00:14:31,730 expressed the desire that the movie had 343 00:14:36,489 --> 00:14:33,949 stuck closer to the original story and 344 00:14:39,579 --> 00:14:36,499 one day I'll bring all these hundreds 345 00:14:41,619 --> 00:14:39,589 thousands of comments to the studio and 346 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:41,629 say you know there's a big hunger out 347 00:14:47,199 --> 00:14:44,089 there for retelling and remaking this 348 00:14:52,569 --> 00:14:47,209 movie and telling what really happened 349 00:14:55,389 --> 00:14:52,579 and expressing my more evolved 350 00:14:57,850 --> 00:14:55,399 understanding of what happened with 351 00:14:59,769 --> 00:14:57,860 what's behind it and what is the one 352 00:15:01,600 --> 00:14:59,779 thing from someone from stuff like 353 00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:01,610 Arizona that that's helped you get 354 00:15:04,329 --> 00:15:02,959 through this whole thing the one thing 355 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:04,339 that's been the greatest thing that's 356 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:06,040 helped you get to where you are today 357 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:09,529 well probably the greatest help for me 358 00:15:14,439 --> 00:15:12,470 were those people closest to me who 359 00:15:18,309 --> 00:15:14,449 never doubted you know people who knew 360 00:15:20,319 --> 00:15:18,319 me knew my character and you know I was 361 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:20,329 actually sort of understanding about the 362 00:15:25,059 --> 00:15:22,610 skepticism of people who didn't know me 363 00:15:26,889 --> 00:15:25,069 you know from a distance you could on 364 00:15:29,379 --> 00:15:26,899 you know understand a certain amount of 365 00:15:31,739 --> 00:15:29,389 initial skepticism especially with all 366 00:15:35,859 --> 00:15:31,749 the disinformation that was out there 367 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:35,869 but i was still outraged that people 368 00:15:40,989 --> 00:15:39,110 would you know make such negative 369 00:15:43,389 --> 00:15:40,999 conclusions without even looking at the 370 00:15:46,179 --> 00:15:43,399 facts this is an experience you've said 371 00:15:48,970 --> 00:15:46,189 yourself that people want to have no you 372 00:15:50,829 --> 00:15:48,980 would you would not expect people to you 373 00:15:53,889 --> 00:15:50,839 know some people say well i wouldn't get 374 00:15:56,919 --> 00:15:53,899 that hysterical I would stay calm ask 375 00:16:00,039 --> 00:15:56,929 good questions maybe slip a souvenir in 376 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:00,049 my pocket you know but I think it's kind 377 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:01,929 of absurd you know people just 378 00:16:08,799 --> 00:16:05,110 understood what I experienced and why 379 00:16:11,739 --> 00:16:08,809 why are those that that convergence of 380 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:11,749 circumstances pushed me over the edge it 381 00:16:17,650 --> 00:16:13,730 was just the combination of the 382 00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:17,660 claustrophobia suffocation pain the 383 00:16:22,329 --> 00:16:20,420 feeling of being injured all combined to 384 00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:22,339 make me lose control but you know I 385 00:16:27,579 --> 00:16:25,279 consider myself a pretty courageous sort 386 00:16:28,850 --> 00:16:27,589 of person normally you know things that 387 00:16:32,270 --> 00:16:28,860 I've been through in my life 388 00:16:34,820 --> 00:16:32,280 you know um Nick next time would you 389 00:16:37,550 --> 00:16:34,830 stay in the truck yeah next time I would 390 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:37,560 stay in the truck Travis Walton thank 391 00:16:41,150 --> 00:16:39,510 you for joining us at para con 2015 and 392 00:16:43,010 --> 00:16:41,160 thank you very much for sharing what was 393 00:16:44,780 --> 00:16:43,020 the most difficult experience all even 394 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:44,790 these years later nice to be with you 395 00:16:51,470 --> 00:16:47,910 thank you and who we got here at para 396 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:51,480 con 2015 we have peach banks and you've 397 00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:52,770 been involved in a bit of ghost hunting 398 00:16:56,510 --> 00:16:54,000 around the sydney area for quite some 399 00:16:58,580 --> 00:16:56,520 time I have yes for about five years and 400 00:17:00,080 --> 00:16:58,590 what has been the reaction of the ghost 401 00:17:01,910 --> 00:17:00,090 hunting industry which turns up at these 402 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:01,920 kind of things this time around for para 403 00:17:07,070 --> 00:17:03,930 con 2015 they've all loved it it's been 404 00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:07,080 very positive I'm very excited a lot of 405 00:17:09,950 --> 00:17:08,640 people get to meet people that they 406 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:09,960 never thought they would ever meet and 407 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:12,570 get to play with toys and equipment that 408 00:17:16,220 --> 00:17:13,770 they never thought that they would get 409 00:17:17,630 --> 00:17:16,230 to okay so what's the new ghost-hunting 410 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:17,640 equipment that everyone's using I know 411 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:19,410 there's a big buzz about various methods 412 00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,290 of EVP picking up sounds that way what's 413 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:24,000 been going on this time around oh well 414 00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:25,530 we've got Bill Chappell with us this 415 00:17:30,020 --> 00:17:28,500 time around who creates equipment over 416 00:17:31,610 --> 00:17:30,030 in America so he's come out and he's 417 00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:31,620 brought a couple of his gadgets with him 418 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:34,470 and they're just these are for detecting 419 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:36,450 audio of other worlds or what is it 420 00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:38,970 detecting a lot of things yeah so it's 421 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:41,640 he's got some audio he's got some energy 422 00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:43,650 meters so if there's a change of energy 423 00:17:48,830 --> 00:17:45,660 what type of the NGO they measure yeah 424 00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:48,840 well I don't know yeah so 425 00:17:56,210 --> 00:17:50,400 electromagnetic energy i would assume 426 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:56,220 calories I don't want that one oh okay 427 00:17:59,090 --> 00:17:57,690 well and not been a lot of excitement 428 00:18:01,130 --> 00:17:59,100 about that of course Travis Walt and 429 00:18:03,770 --> 00:18:01,140 that's been a really big big bang yeah 430 00:18:05,330 --> 00:18:03,780 yeah so yeah he seems like a really 431 00:18:06,890 --> 00:18:05,340 lovely man and his story is quite 432 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:06,900 petrifying and considering what he's 433 00:18:09,260 --> 00:18:08,130 been through it's very hard to do 434 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:09,270 viewing him you like you because you 435 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:10,410 don't want to ask about that it's like 436 00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:11,490 talking to a victim of a kidnapping 437 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:13,230 about them being kidnapped that's what 438 00:18:16,460 --> 00:18:14,310 you're looking at yeah that's exactly 439 00:18:18,590 --> 00:18:16,470 right yeah but I just find his story 440 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:18,600 absolutely fascinating that all of the 441 00:18:22,550 --> 00:18:20,730 people with him past lie detector tests 442 00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:22,560 and and it wasn't just happening to one 443 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:24,660 man it happened to so many people like 444 00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:26,490 not not the abduction but then there 445 00:18:29,090 --> 00:18:27,780 were so many people involved and that 446 00:18:30,250 --> 00:18:29,100 they were actually about to be charged 447 00:18:32,290 --> 00:18:30,260 with his murder 448 00:18:34,030 --> 00:18:32,300 and how you meet people even at events 449 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:34,040 like this that go all i would like to be 450 00:18:40,270 --> 00:18:36,290 abducted and you're going really oh yeah 451 00:18:42,460 --> 00:18:40,280 absolutely not no no no what's been the 452 00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:42,470 highlight of the weekend then i would 453 00:18:47,170 --> 00:18:45,350 say probably or got to think probably 454 00:18:49,630 --> 00:18:47,180 the VIP investigations that we did last 455 00:18:51,250 --> 00:18:49,640 night yes you did you fight what in this 456 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:51,260 building the carrington hotel no we went 457 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:53,690 to old hartley village and although i 458 00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,970 didn't actually find anything or 459 00:18:58,840 --> 00:18:57,200 anything like that it was just the 460 00:19:00,730 --> 00:18:58,850 history going and visiting this place 461 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:00,740 it's got some beautiful old buildings 462 00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:03,050 that were built in the 1850s and you get 463 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:04,880 to walk around in the dark in these 464 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:07,010 amazing place i like to remind people if 465 00:19:10,690 --> 00:19:08,810 okay if you're not in the ghosts if you 466 00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:10,700 go on a ghost to it at the very least 467 00:19:13,930 --> 00:19:12,260 you're hopefully going to get a good 468 00:19:16,270 --> 00:19:13,940 historical lecture that's exactly right 469 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:16,280 yep that's i totally agree that's what i 470 00:19:19,870 --> 00:19:18,050 like to do with the ghost tours i run i 471 00:19:22,090 --> 00:19:19,880 make sure that there's a lot of history 472 00:19:24,670 --> 00:19:22,100 involved because that's my passion so 473 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:24,680 yeah and what's the history where we're 474 00:19:27,970 --> 00:19:26,210 standing here in the character hotel bar 475 00:19:29,470 --> 00:19:27,980 I mean has there been action over there 476 00:19:32,110 --> 00:19:29,480 with some paranormal over the weekend 477 00:19:34,270 --> 00:19:32,120 I'm not too aware of the history of this 478 00:19:35,710 --> 00:19:34,280 building to be honest I'm just talking 479 00:19:37,180 --> 00:19:35,720 this weekend with the with the ghost 480 00:19:38,530 --> 00:19:37,190 hunters here Chris go sounders an area 481 00:19:40,270 --> 00:19:38,540 they enjoy your loss spirits lots of 482 00:19:41,710 --> 00:19:40,280 spirits but more spirits back at the 483 00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,720 other hotel whip that we're all staying 484 00:19:46,180 --> 00:19:44,240 at whoa I think there's some stories to 485 00:19:48,790 --> 00:19:46,190 be told can't be told here thanks today 486 00:19:51,610 --> 00:19:48,800 no problem thank you may not win the 487 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:51,620 palatial Carrington bar and lounge area 488 00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:53,570 here it so it's a pretty amazing hotels 489 00:19:57,310 --> 00:19:55,310 it is beautiful I stayed here the other 490 00:19:59,440 --> 00:19:57,320 night now was it a bit cold was electric 491 00:20:01,600 --> 00:19:59,450 blanket working it was freezing and I 492 00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:01,610 couldn't get that working and who are we 493 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:03,380 who are we talking to him Alice and I 494 00:20:07,660 --> 00:20:05,570 born I'm from Adelaide haunted horizons 495 00:20:09,130 --> 00:20:07,670 do goes to a standing Adelaide center 496 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:09,140 and how was the ghost business going in 497 00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:10,970 South Australia yeah good it's kind of a 498 00:20:14,350 --> 00:20:12,470 way of bringing history across more than 499 00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:14,360 anything to a generation that isn't 500 00:20:18,370 --> 00:20:16,310 interested in history yet i gotta say 501 00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:18,380 become into protecting heritage and 502 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:20,630 things like that so if you say come down 503 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:22,010 i'll teach you the history of adelaide 504 00:20:26,350 --> 00:20:25,250 you kind of get that look if you say 505 00:20:29,740 --> 00:20:26,360 come down i'll give you every murder 506 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:29,750 tragedy and ghost story bang the younger 507 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:31,250 generation of this there's a fair bit 508 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:32,690 that's going on in adelaide over the 509 00:20:36,550 --> 00:20:34,730 years yeah I think yeah I've been doing 510 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:36,560 to us at the jail I do believe we had 511 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:38,090 the skeptics society there a few years 512 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:39,970 ago with Richard Saunders and 513 00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:42,490 then a few of us I think I had 21 of 514 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:44,440 them he turns up everywhere no he was 515 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:45,910 fun he interviewed me then and I 516 00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:48,130 interviewed him and what's been the 517 00:20:50,730 --> 00:20:49,120 highlight of this weekend 518 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:50,740 paranormal-wise whatever i'm being 519 00:20:57,900 --> 00:20:53,440 talking about it's been a really big 520 00:21:00,300 --> 00:20:57,910 variety of UFO stuff and go stuff but 521 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:00,310 what's been really refreshing is I've 522 00:21:04,050 --> 00:21:01,930 listened to a few speakers today and 523 00:21:06,270 --> 00:21:04,060 yesterday there have been very rational 524 00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:06,280 and that's been brilliant and it's been 525 00:21:08,970 --> 00:21:07,750 there's been to speak you see that have 526 00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:08,980 been talking about getting the correct 527 00:21:12,330 --> 00:21:10,900 evidence so that others will believe you 528 00:21:13,860 --> 00:21:12,340 and that's that's a new thing that's 529 00:21:15,870 --> 00:21:13,870 creeping in and that's what we try and 530 00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:15,880 teach on our tours as well is don't just 531 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:18,820 jump to learn your photography in other 532 00:21:23,670 --> 00:21:22,210 words like that may not be an all but 533 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:23,680 might just be dust being reflected by 534 00:21:28,050 --> 00:21:26,170 flash I kept nineteen hundred percent 535 00:21:29,730 --> 00:21:28,060 the time you yeah Gladio photography so 536 00:21:31,380 --> 00:21:29,740 this is what we try and we threw out the 537 00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:31,390 old formula with the tours of being 538 00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,100 tacky and jumping out people because I 539 00:21:36,690 --> 00:21:35,200 have research up at about 25 years what 540 00:21:38,670 --> 00:21:36,700 we try and teach now is more rational 541 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:38,680 thinking what it isn't I'm the worst 542 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:40,810 tour guide in the world what's that 543 00:21:46,110 --> 00:21:43,930 that's a possible don't worry let that's 544 00:21:48,270 --> 00:21:46,120 a slamming door but we've built that 545 00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:48,280 trust as well so people they're not 546 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,070 idiots and so we decided to build that 547 00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,960 trust and they know that you know if 548 00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:54,400 it's natural we're going to tell them so 549 00:21:58,380 --> 00:21:56,980 and for you choose online and what you 550 00:22:01,920 --> 00:21:58,390 do in Adelaide what's a website for you 551 00:22:03,930 --> 00:22:01,930 and Adelaide haunted horizons and see us 552 00:22:06,660 --> 00:22:03,940 on Facebook or that so then what would 553 00:22:08,010 --> 00:22:06,670 be the best in kanab salute positive 554 00:22:10,530 --> 00:22:08,020 proof that there's something going on 555 00:22:13,470 --> 00:22:10,540 what would you hope to get do you know 556 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:13,480 what I gave up on that I was out there 557 00:22:18,420 --> 00:22:16,050 for 26 years trying to get that proof 558 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:18,430 and at the end of the day you realize 559 00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:21,130 you really can't you know it's it's just 560 00:22:24,030 --> 00:22:22,000 going to come down to personal 561 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:24,040 experience and that's what I'm after I 562 00:22:27,450 --> 00:22:26,170 get very little happening to me all 563 00:22:30,340 --> 00:22:27,460 right I'm still waiting for that I've 564 00:22:32,409 --> 00:22:30,350 had a few things I can't explain 565 00:22:35,289 --> 00:22:32,419 and but I'm aware that you're never 566 00:22:36,370 --> 00:22:35,299 going to prove it really it's just until 567 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:36,380 people have had the experience and 568 00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:38,950 that's why I sound tours I'm not here to 569 00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:42,350 make you believe it goes exist because 570 00:22:45,010 --> 00:22:43,280 it's going to come down to your own 571 00:22:46,779 --> 00:22:45,020 experience and for that to happen and 572 00:22:48,669 --> 00:22:46,789 that's what the tours are about we bring 573 00:22:50,860 --> 00:22:48,679 you into haunted locations or thought be 574 00:22:52,810 --> 00:22:50,870 haunted locations in the hope you'll get 575 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:52,820 that experience and that's all it is so 576 00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:54,710 people go away with that things I think 577 00:22:59,409 --> 00:22:57,919 they still enjoy it look who we got here 578 00:23:00,850 --> 00:22:59,419 at the front of the beautiful carriage 579 00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:00,860 inn hotel and how beautiful is it in 580 00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:03,620 Katoomba yes let's do a bit chilly Bob 581 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:06,559 yeah and you are i'm tom from GH to you 582 00:23:13,570 --> 00:23:10,610 honda and you are and I'm just from ghd 583 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:13,580 that also the second found ogh to you 584 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:15,110 and I think last time I saw you was in 585 00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:18,049 ride symmetry yes it was certainly was 586 00:23:23,950 --> 00:23:22,159 very varying uggs extraordinary night it 587 00:23:25,930 --> 00:23:23,960 was it was a beautifully clear night 588 00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,940 with no wind so a big scaredy-cat like 589 00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:27,440 me didn't get too scared if I went there 590 00:23:31,060 --> 00:23:29,000 and it was darker and windy I'd be 591 00:23:32,380 --> 00:23:31,070 pooping myself I would have been but 592 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:32,390 yeah we had a great time when we did 593 00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:33,890 that episode now what has it been like 594 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:36,169 for the the paranormal community here to 595 00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:37,610 get together like this like you do once 596 00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:38,900 a year like they did it mate in jail 597 00:23:45,850 --> 00:23:41,360 last year it's been a very exciting to 598 00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:45,860 see a lot of people coming that don't 599 00:23:51,370 --> 00:23:47,630 know what to do with the paranormal and 600 00:23:55,090 --> 00:23:51,380 sit down listen to speakers and talking 601 00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:55,100 about what we do day in day out and 602 00:23:59,230 --> 00:23:57,110 there it's just nice to see that people 603 00:24:01,270 --> 00:23:59,240 are shown more interest in the 604 00:24:02,590 --> 00:24:01,280 paranormal but what seems to be the new 605 00:24:04,210 --> 00:24:02,600 thing I saw that there was a lot of 606 00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,220 chatting about getting actual more 607 00:24:10,419 --> 00:24:06,080 evidence together so you could take it 608 00:24:14,049 --> 00:24:10,429 to a third party yeah Attila at the 609 00:24:16,899 --> 00:24:14,059 moment he's pushing for a series to be 610 00:24:19,930 --> 00:24:16,909 seen all across Australia plus around 611 00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:19,940 the world I think we better move over 612 00:24:23,490 --> 00:24:21,260 here or else we'll end up in the realm 613 00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,500 of the paranormal 614 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:25,360 it's the perils of doing interview 615 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:26,650 actually in the middle of a working 616 00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:28,570 driveway folks this is Occupational 617 00:24:32,550 --> 00:24:30,460 Health and Safety don't do it doesn't go 618 00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:32,560 well my traffic controllers that is not 619 00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:35,950 so good yeah but I think a lot of people 620 00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:37,990 are now trying to look for different 621 00:24:45,810 --> 00:24:40,860 methods of getting evidence for EVPs 622 00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:45,820 audio art video & imagery so it's nice 623 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:47,220 to see different techniques come up 624 00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:51,010 different ideas new technology so yeah 625 00:24:56,790 --> 00:24:54,310 it's been good and what do you been 626 00:24:59,790 --> 00:24:56,800 taking away from Paracon 20 or 15 quite 627 00:25:02,190 --> 00:24:59,800 a lot of information at quite 628 00:25:03,930 --> 00:25:02,200 overwhelming actually there's so much 629 00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:03,940 information that they were giving out 630 00:25:08,490 --> 00:25:05,860 that was like oh my god my head's 631 00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,500 hurting from it a lot of people in the 632 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:11,200 ghost hunting industry nationally here 633 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:14,170 in Australia isn't there no well I 634 00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:15,130 thought they were cuz there's people 635 00:25:18,180 --> 00:25:16,360 from Adelaide people of Melbourne turn 636 00:25:21,090 --> 00:25:18,190 up I mean more more than you would think 637 00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:21,100 that's what I mean yeah there's more 638 00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:23,590 than we think but I mean you don't 639 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:25,870 really hear about them now that's that's 640 00:25:30,510 --> 00:25:27,730 the that's the problem with most of the 641 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:30,520 Australian teams they don't stand up 642 00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:32,590 later yeah they don't stand up and they 643 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:35,200 don't speak their mind they don't want 644 00:25:40,890 --> 00:25:38,890 to be seen as big teams hmm i think 645 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:40,900 that's be wrong they need to step up 646 00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,370 they need to say yep we're from 647 00:25:45,540 --> 00:25:44,080 australia where parent or investigators 648 00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:45,550 we're here to stay and where can we find 649 00:25:49,470 --> 00:25:47,140 you guys online and find out what you 650 00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:49,480 get up to we are based in Parramatta we 651 00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:51,580 are on Facebook just look up ghd you 652 00:25:55,980 --> 00:25:53,590 ghost hunters down under and we also 653 00:25:57,570 --> 00:25:55,990 have a webpage at gh 2 u.com do you 654 00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:57,580 write thanks a lot have a great with 655 00:26:12,490 --> 00:25:59,410 what's left of the weekend yes thank you 656 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:16,400 on Maynard com don't you have we've got 657 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:19,410 a show for you today we've got sexual 658 00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:23,370 politics my cat we're going to reclaim 659 00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:25,500 Australia simply by marching on a public 660 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:29,820 holiday we open your crank mail crank 661 00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:32,310 mail and we introduce a sting that is 662 00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:39,700 that is dramatic i mean just listen to 663 00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:47,190 it's freaking me out 664 00:26:51,570 --> 00:26:49,409 little did they think within the years 665 00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:51,580 of 21st century that people would stop 666 00:27:06,090 --> 00:26:54,190 watching television banga banga on may 667 00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,100 not condone are you hey you hi there I'm 668 00:27:09,539 --> 00:27:08,080 Rose Bowl Trump Brisbane skeptics 669 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:09,549 society and we are happy to announce 670 00:27:16,289 --> 00:27:12,970 Brisbane skeptic camp 4 2015 on Saturday 671 00:27:18,090 --> 00:27:16,299 July the 4th at Hamilton Town Hall we 672 00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:18,100 have special international guests and 673 00:27:23,159 --> 00:27:20,769 author Peter bogosian and the debut of 674 00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:23,169 the Brisbane skeptics society skeptic 675 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:25,500 rabbit hole a fun panel show and comedy 676 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:29,049 experience registration is free and you 677 00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:31,450 can do that at brisk after camp org 678 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:38,440 that's pretty skeptical gorg welcome to 679 00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:40,690 a week in science from RI oz bringing 680 00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,149 you the science you need to know we all 681 00:27:47,490 --> 00:27:45,039 know the Large Hadron Collider best for 682 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:47,500 discovering dick is Busan but it's so 683 00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,570 much more than that let's have a look at 684 00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:51,279 some of the amazing projects happening 685 00:27:59,340 --> 00:27:57,340 at the LHC the Atlas and CMS detectors 686 00:28:01,230 --> 00:27:59,350 are large general-purpose particle 687 00:28:03,299 --> 00:28:01,240 detectors and jointly announced the 688 00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:03,309 discovery of the Higgs boson back in 689 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:05,710 2012 they are both continuing their 690 00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:07,809 experiments to discover and understand 691 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:09,880 more about the Higgs they are also 692 00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:11,950 carrying out experiments to attempt to 693 00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,559 find dark matter the mysterious thing 694 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:16,240 that makes up twenty percent of the 695 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:18,970 universe but we've never seen another 696 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:21,100 experiment is to potentially discover 697 00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:24,010 extra dimensions if a graviton Pascal 698 00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:25,600 were to disappear into a different 699 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:27,190 dimension it would cause an energy 700 00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:29,950 imbalance in the results as well as 701 00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:31,870 investigating other questions such as 702 00:28:36,539 --> 00:28:34,510 antimatter these two detectors are also 703 00:28:39,870 --> 00:28:36,549 searching generally for more particles 704 00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:39,880 new previously unseen or unknown pieces 705 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:41,830 of the physics puzzle which make up a 706 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:43,970 universe 707 00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:46,650 to other more specialized detectors 708 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:50,070 include Elise and L hcv Elise is a 709 00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:52,230 little different while other detectors 710 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:54,990 observe proton-proton collisions Elise 711 00:28:59,960 --> 00:28:57,410 observes collisions between lead ions 712 00:29:02,120 --> 00:28:59,970 within these collisions the researchers 713 00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:02,130 are exploring quarks and gluons which 714 00:29:06,530 --> 00:29:04,200 make up protons within the nucleus of 715 00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:06,540 the lead atoms how they interact and how 716 00:29:12,770 --> 00:29:09,870 they form matter LHCb is the fourth 717 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:12,780 large extent at the LHC working on 718 00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:15,450 proton collisions LHCb seeks to 719 00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:18,420 investigate antimatter antimatter kind 720 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:21,180 of like mirror image Pascal's equal mass 721 00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:23,970 but the opposite charge not long after 722 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:26,190 the Big Bang much the antimatter in the 723 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:28,710 universe disappeared LHCb is 724 00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,570 investigating the relationship between 725 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:33,120 matter and antimatter to understand why 726 00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:36,090 and now for fast facts about the Large 727 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:39,870 Hadron Collider the Large Hadron 728 00:29:45,290 --> 00:29:42,570 Collider is 27 kill me to ring of 729 00:29:47,420 --> 00:29:45,300 superconducting magnets buried 100 730 00:29:50,270 --> 00:29:47,430 meters below the ground near Geneva in 731 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:50,280 Switzerland protons or lead ions are 732 00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:51,930 sent around the ring in different 733 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:53,700 directions close to the speed of light 734 00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,370 and then collided at the location of 735 00:30:01,550 --> 00:29:58,860 each experimental detector the LHC 736 00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:01,560 generates around 600 million particle 737 00:30:06,530 --> 00:30:04,590 collisions per second the energy created 738 00:30:08,660 --> 00:30:06,540 when protons or ions collider each 739 00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:08,670 collision point is close to that 740 00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,590 expected to have occurred at the Big 741 00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,200 Bang that's it for this week in science 742 00:30:20,050 --> 00:30:15,840 for more information on the LHC goes the 743 00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:20,060 Arias website RI aus org dot a you 744 00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:23,460 follow us on twitter at arias and like 745 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:25,800 us on facebook i'm ben lewis and we'll 746 00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:41,740 be reasonable it's a podcast in the 747 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:44,030 merseyside skeptics society hosted by 748 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:46,190 Michael Marshall in each monthly 749 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:47,990 interview we'll examine belief from 750 00:30:51,670 --> 00:30:50,090 outside of the mainstream exploring how 751 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:51,680 those views are constructed and what 752 00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:53,450 evidence people feel support their case 753 00:30:58,810 --> 00:30:55,820 on the latest episode i'm joined by 754 00:31:01,200 --> 00:30:58,820 kickboxer movie star and alternative 755 00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:01,210 cancer researcher being Jacqueline 756 00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:05,750 Rockefeller and Carnegie and DuPont they 757 00:31:11,230 --> 00:31:08,270 bought out the medical schools and and 758 00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:11,240 now they call the shots for what our 759 00:31:14,410 --> 00:31:12,800 doctors are taught and they got rid of 760 00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:14,420 all the holistic sup and went straight 761 00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:16,340 up Big Pharma guess who owned the big 762 00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,400 pharma companies dated hey what ian had 763 00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:21,440 to say as well as finding back issues 764 00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:23,630 the show by searching merseyside 765 00:31:45,970 --> 00:31:26,990 skeptics org UK forward slash podcasts 766 00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:48,380 well folks this isn't exactly a think 767 00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:50,340 tank this week on actually at the first 768 00:31:56,299 --> 00:31:53,700 meeting of the Sydney podcast it's none 769 00:31:58,010 --> 00:31:56,309 talking to Siobhan O'Sullivan who you've 770 00:32:01,159 --> 00:31:58,020 put this together haven't you yes i have 771 00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:01,169 hello hello how exciting i meet up for 772 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:04,049 sydney podcasters what what what was the 773 00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:06,570 inspiration for this I love listening to 774 00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,630 podcasts and I have for many years 775 00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,039 recently I've started my own podcast 776 00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:14,640 knowing animals knowing knowing animals 777 00:32:19,159 --> 00:32:17,340 and I thought to myself I would love to 778 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:19,169 meet up with some other podcasting 779 00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:21,690 enthusiasts I googled and googled and 780 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:23,460 found nothing so I thought well what's 781 00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:25,080 to be done I'll just have to set up my 782 00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:27,240 own group and you figure interesting 783 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:28,860 location here we're in the town hall 784 00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,770 hotel in new town in Sydney Australia 785 00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:32,640 we've got some pool tables in the 786 00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:34,110 background a bit of music typical 787 00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:36,150 Australian pop what a great place for 788 00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:38,220 meetup absolutely we can have a drink we 789 00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,750 can have a chat we can have a bite to 790 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:41,760 eat it's lovely and we're surrounded by 791 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:43,530 lots of people here all come along for 792 00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:44,850 this how did y'all hear about this how 793 00:32:50,270 --> 00:32:46,440 did you hear about this podcast at this 794 00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,280 podcast this podcast meet up on medicom 795 00:32:54,919 --> 00:32:52,799 again very excited to see it come up 796 00:32:57,740 --> 00:32:54,929 hadn't seen any similar groups on made 797 00:32:59,960 --> 00:32:57,750 up before so this very excited to come 798 00:33:03,380 --> 00:32:59,970 and visit tonight that's fantastic and 799 00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:03,390 what's your podcast so my name is Alex a 800 00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:08,100 friend of me for the night even 801 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:10,230 to start a recording recently in our 802 00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:14,690 living room interest-only is the podcast 803 00:33:23,049 --> 00:33:18,600 ranging it from everything from stop 804 00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:23,059 publishing to sleep to meet ups to 805 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:26,400 anything that takes our interest sort of 806 00:33:33,169 --> 00:33:29,490 a life in general podcast 807 00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:33,179 good summary good summary fantastic and 808 00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,559 a lot about the people here at the table 809 00:33:38,030 --> 00:33:36,240 2 and may not of course may not what do 810 00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:38,040 you think about this podcasting meet up 811 00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,390 I think this is great I've been 812 00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:41,940 listening to the so called podcasting 813 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:44,460 community in the US for ages and around 814 00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:45,570 the table there's people that do 815 00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:47,520 podcasts for something that's in their 816 00:33:50,030 --> 00:33:48,630 industry something that's in their 817 00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:50,040 lounge rooms some people just want to 818 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:52,140 get into it and the only advice I've got 819 00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,210 us to don't get to flummox by the 820 00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:56,580 technology and just get up there and do 821 00:34:00,410 --> 00:33:58,440 the first podcast and then let that 822 00:34:02,150 --> 00:34:00,420 evolve the actual doing the show is 823 00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,160 important bit and then once you get that 824 00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:04,559 right the technology will follow what 825 00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:06,179 good advice there from Maynard folks 826 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:09,419 Siobhan arm this is a fantastic endeavor 827 00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,490 by you congratulations a we're all 828 00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:12,960 having a great time we're all learning a 829 00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,760 lot already I think I'm learning how to 830 00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:17,159 shoot pool whether by the sounds of over 831 00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,500 there and how can people in the sydney 832 00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:21,119 area especially find out about this 833 00:34:27,350 --> 00:34:24,270 meetup so just put a podcasting sydney 834 00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:27,360 into meetup com and you'll find us we're 835 00:34:30,619 --> 00:34:29,220 going to meet monthly and each month 836 00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:30,629 we're going to have somebody talking 837 00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:32,790 about their podcast how they've done it 838 00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,950 what's exciting what's new we're going 839 00:34:39,649 --> 00:34:37,679 to have tools of studios we perhaps 840 00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,659 we'll go and see a podcast recorded live 841 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:42,000 so it's going to be very diverse so jump 842 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:44,490 on meetup com join podcasting Sydney 843 00:34:48,139 --> 00:34:46,290 you're not obliged to come every month 844 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:48,149 but just keep an ear out keep an eye out 845 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:50,310 and come when it interest you it sounds 846 00:35:05,420 --> 00:34:51,810 good to me Siobhan thank you very much 847 00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:05,430 thank you we all have a worldview that 848 00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:09,830 informs our thoughts actions and beliefs 849 00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:12,030 this worldview is littered with 850 00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:14,670 conclusions that are inherited my daddy 851 00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,300 was a racist assumed the next Avengers 852 00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:20,880 movie is going to be great and just 853 00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,880 plain incorrect global warming is a lie 854 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:25,680 told by really really really rich 855 00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:28,410 scientists so how do we know if these 856 00:35:34,070 --> 00:35:31,230 conclusions are correct well 857 00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:34,080 coincidentally we asked the question how 858 00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:35,670 do you know 859 00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,440 on july second at 630pm at QUT Gardens 860 00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:42,839 Point campus in Brisbane the Brisbane 861 00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,750 skeptics society in association with the 862 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:48,720 rationalist Society of Australia and the 863 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:51,450 city Bible forum of Brisbane will gather 864 00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,089 together a group of people who answer 865 00:35:59,839 --> 00:35:56,400 those questions professionally 866 00:36:02,420 --> 00:35:59,849 philosopher dr. Peter bogosian scientist 867 00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:02,430 and researcher dr. Maggie Hardy a neat 868 00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:05,940 satis dr. Goff Thomas City Bible forum 869 00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:09,119 director Glen hohenberg and barrister 870 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:12,180 Stuart Webster are the panelists for the 871 00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:15,450 Brisbane skeptics society how do you 872 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:19,140 know thought symposium go to Brisbane 873 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:22,290 skeptics org and click on the events tab 874 00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,410 to get tickets and hurry because tickets 875 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,599 are strictly limited how do you know 876 00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:30,240 they're limited because I saw how many 877 00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:32,460 tickets are left oh sorry that's a good 878 00:36:54,099 --> 00:36:46,480 what we want is some more evidence 879 00:36:54,109 --> 00:36:59,249 hello this is Joe alabaster 880 00:37:06,969 --> 00:37:04,200 as reported on skeptics com au 881 00:37:10,029 --> 00:37:06,979 Blackmore's funds Sydney Uni chair in 882 00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,039 integrative medicine vitamin and 883 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:11,839 supplements company Blackmore's is 884 00:37:17,739 --> 00:37:14,210 funding a chair in integrative medicine 885 00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:17,749 at Sydney University apparently the 886 00:37:21,849 --> 00:37:19,940 university approached Blackmore's about 887 00:37:25,029 --> 00:37:21,859 the relationship rather than the company 888 00:37:27,459 --> 00:37:25,039 making the first move the new position 889 00:37:29,739 --> 00:37:27,469 is titled the Morris black more chair 890 00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:29,749 which according to an announcement from 891 00:37:34,479 --> 00:37:32,660 the University made today quote honours 892 00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:34,489 Morris black moor founder of the company 893 00:37:40,959 --> 00:37:37,430 a pioneer of Australian naturopathy end 894 00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:40,969 quote Morris black moor was the father 895 00:37:45,549 --> 00:37:43,160 of the current chairman Marcus Blackmore 896 00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:45,559 the company is funding the position with 897 00:37:50,349 --> 00:37:48,380 a 1.3 million dollar donation which 898 00:37:53,799 --> 00:37:50,359 according to Professor Bruce Robinson 899 00:37:55,809 --> 00:37:53,809 Dean of Sydney Medical School quote over 900 00:37:57,489 --> 00:37:55,819 the next five years will undertake 901 00:37:59,170 --> 00:37:57,499 research into the impact of 902 00:38:01,839 --> 00:37:59,180 complementary medicines in health 903 00:38:03,849 --> 00:38:01,849 outcomes including how complementary and 904 00:38:05,739 --> 00:38:03,859 alternative medicines interact with the 905 00:38:08,319 --> 00:38:05,749 current standard treatments by medical 906 00:38:10,479 --> 00:38:08,329 professionals with this support we will 907 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:10,489 be able to develop data and guidelines 908 00:38:14,229 --> 00:38:12,170 for consumers and healthcare 909 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:14,239 professionals based on solid evidence 910 00:38:20,819 --> 00:38:18,650 end quote Robinson added that apart from 911 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:20,829 the research the chair will quote 912 00:38:25,809 --> 00:38:23,690 develop education programs which mean 913 00:38:27,940 --> 00:38:25,819 young doctors will graduate knowing what 914 00:38:30,219 --> 00:38:27,950 complementary medicines can and can't 915 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:30,229 achieve and how they interact with other 916 00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:33,410 treatments and quote Marcus Blackmore 917 00:38:39,009 --> 00:38:36,710 said quote integrative medicine with its 918 00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,019 focus on prevention and well-being hold 919 00:38:43,329 --> 00:38:41,359 serious promise as a solution to the 920 00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:43,339 other increasing cost of healthcare in 921 00:38:47,469 --> 00:38:45,680 our community it is our hope that our 922 00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:47,479 support for this chair will contribute 923 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:49,700 towards a holistic approach in medical 924 00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:52,130 practice that combines modern Western 925 00:38:56,529 --> 00:38:54,200 medicine with established and proven 926 00:38:59,200 --> 00:38:56,539 practices in the area of integrative 927 00:39:01,059 --> 00:38:59,210 medicine end quote the official 928 00:39:02,910 --> 00:39:01,069 announcement says that the University 929 00:39:05,739 --> 00:39:02,920 will be collaborating with quote 930 00:39:09,099 --> 00:39:05,749 international partners in Canada China 931 00:39:12,510 --> 00:39:09,109 and Asia and proposed schools in the USA 932 00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,520 and UK and quote these partners are 933 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:14,320 not named though it is understood that 934 00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:16,450 the Canadian institution is the 935 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:20,140 University of Toronto concerns have 936 00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:21,850 already been expressed over the 937 00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:25,030 relationship Iran's forgive president of 938 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:27,340 Australian skeptics pointed out the 939 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:28,810 official announcement makes no 940 00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:30,970 definition of what integrative medicine 941 00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:33,990 incorporates nor any delineation between 942 00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:36,960 complementary and alternative medicine 943 00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:40,150 quote will the research be limited to 944 00:39:44,490 --> 00:39:41,950 the types of products that Blackmore's 945 00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:44,500 promotes or will it be much wider and 946 00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:46,540 include health regimens like yoga or 947 00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:49,960 massage for instance and quote hasst the 948 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:51,700 announcement also makes reference to 949 00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:53,850 other work at the University including 950 00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:55,600 high-definition imaging of the brain 951 00:40:01,380 --> 00:39:58,680 stem to understand why acupuncture works 952 00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:01,390 quote definitive statements like this 953 00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:04,980 worrying end quote sigep says quote 954 00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:07,150 understanding why acupuncture works 955 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:09,070 makes no allowance for the important 956 00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:10,930 caveats of where and even whether 957 00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:14,350 acupuncture works at all it is these 958 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:15,940 sorts of poor definition and bland 959 00:40:19,610 --> 00:40:18,010 statements that indicate in creeping 960 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:19,620 support in the university environment 961 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:21,490 for Complementary and alternative 962 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:24,130 treatments that in many cases do not 963 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:28,210 have scientific support end quote the 964 00:40:31,530 --> 00:40:29,890 university's announcement makes no 965 00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:31,540 reference to the independence of the 966 00:40:37,470 --> 00:40:33,880 research facility or any hands off 967 00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:37,480 position for Blackmore's Robinson did 968 00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:40,720 tell the absa that quote blackmores has 969 00:40:45,090 --> 00:40:42,820 no role in the way the results of the 970 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:45,100 research are communicated and they have 971 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:47,650 no liability to limit our disseminating 972 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:50,170 the results of that research and quote 973 00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:53,050 but Blackmore's institute director dr. 974 00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,940 Leslie Brown will sit on the selection 975 00:41:00,600 --> 00:40:57,040 panel that chooses who fills the chair 976 00:41:02,430 --> 00:41:00,610 of Integrative Medicine Marcus Blackmore 977 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:02,440 told the ABC that it was a mutually 978 00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:04,690 beneficial relationship and he had no 979 00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:06,100 intention of intervening in the 980 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:09,640 university's research quote will this 981 00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:12,010 give us some credibility I'm sure it 982 00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:15,670 will and quote he said quote but there's 983 00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:17,380 no suggestion whatsoever that there's 984 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:19,990 any profit motive in this in fact it's 985 00:41:26,010 --> 00:41:22,450 costing us a lot of money obviously end 986 00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:26,020 quote in actual fact blackmores selling 987 00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:26,350 a ma 988 00:41:30,450 --> 00:41:28,120 cutting costs for twenty thirteen to 989 00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:30,460 fourteen were twenty three point eight 990 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,000 million plus 1.3 million over five years 991 00:41:38,910 --> 00:41:35,920 is equivalent to slightly over one 992 00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,920 percent of that amount Marcus 993 00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:40,480 Blackmore's stated hope that the 994 00:41:43,770 --> 00:41:41,980 activities of the chair will bring a 995 00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:43,780 holistic approach to Western medicine 996 00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:46,390 and establish proven practices in the 997 00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:49,120 areas of Integrative Medicine might be 998 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:50,980 seen to suggest that the work will 999 00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:53,050 substantiate the company's area of 1000 00:41:59,610 --> 00:41:57,400 activity dr. ken Harvey who resigned his 1001 00:42:01,410 --> 00:41:59,620 position as adjunct associate professor 1002 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:01,420 in latrobe University's School of Public 1003 00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:03,430 Health in response to a proposal by 1004 00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:05,230 Swiss another vitamin and supplement 1005 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:07,660 company to sponsor research of that 1006 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:09,610 University says that there are 1007 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:11,290 potentially similar issues with the 1008 00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:13,570 Blackmore Sydney University relationship 1009 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:17,020 at latrobe Swiss was to contribute 15 1010 00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:19,450 million dollars to the university over 1011 00:42:23,970 --> 00:42:21,700 six years as a founding partner of the 1012 00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:23,980 complementary medicine evidence center 1013 00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:28,510 CMAC professor Keith Nugent deputy 1014 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:30,550 vice-chancellor research for latrobe 1015 00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:33,010 said in an announcement in late january 1016 00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:36,880 2014 that quote once the CMAC is 1017 00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:39,310 established Swiss will continue to have 1018 00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,230 its products undergo rigorous and 1019 00:42:47,370 --> 00:42:43,680 independent scientific assessment end 1020 00:42:49,350 --> 00:42:47,380 quote quote there are potential 1021 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:49,360 conflicts of interest when one company 1022 00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:51,730 funds research and quotes as Harvey 1023 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:54,760 quote they may have expectations that 1024 00:42:59,640 --> 00:42:56,710 this research will validate their own 1025 00:43:01,530 --> 00:42:59,650 products which it may not do there may 1026 00:43:03,810 --> 00:43:01,540 be subtle pressures on researchers not 1027 00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,820 to be critical of products so as to not 1028 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:06,400 upset the funder researchers may be 1029 00:43:09,810 --> 00:43:08,050 tempted to game their research to 1030 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:09,820 produce results that please the funder 1031 00:43:14,850 --> 00:43:12,610 in addition the company possibly uses 1032 00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:14,860 the University Association for marketing 1033 00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:17,350 purposes and magnifier and or cherry 1034 00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,940 pick any positive results without 1035 00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:20,560 waiting to see if these can be 1036 00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:23,620 replicated while all of these potential 1037 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:25,420 problems can be minimized by clear 1038 00:43:28,890 --> 00:43:27,370 agreements that the University will be 1039 00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:28,900 in complete control of the research 1040 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:31,390 questions the methodology ethics 1041 00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:33,910 approval and publication rights this is 1042 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:36,640 not always made clear in short the 1043 00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:38,650 funding entity must accept that they 1044 00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:40,300 will be hands-off 1045 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:44,350 quote sigep concluded quote with such 1046 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:46,330 research funded by the complementary 1047 00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,730 health industry it is a concern because 1048 00:43:53,850 --> 00:43:50,800 of the obvious potential for a conflict 1049 00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:53,860 of interest Australian skeptics supports 1050 00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,870 scientific research into complementary 1051 00:44:00,780 --> 00:43:58,480 medicine but it has to be and seen to be 1052 00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:00,790 independent of any influence by vested 1053 00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:03,310 interests I'm not saying that's the case 1054 00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:05,350 here as we don't know enough details yet 1055 00:44:10,110 --> 00:44:07,660 but this should be a first priority it 1056 00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:10,120 should be independent it should continue 1057 00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:11,800 to be independent and it should be 1058 00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:14,040 demonstrated that it is independent 1059 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:15,670 coming from one of the leading 1060 00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:17,770 universities in Australia we would hope 1061 00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:25,340 and this press release can be read at 1062 00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:31,900 skeptics com au until next time this is 1063 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:51,370 hey Heidi oh hi Joe hi Heidi oh hi 1064 00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:54,890 Maynard hi Maynard oh hi Joe nice day in 1065 00:45:01,960 --> 00:44:58,130 this park yeah yes great weather oh look 1066 00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:01,970 a unicorn a unicorn there are no such 1067 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:04,550 things as unicorns silly yes there are 1068 00:45:10,210 --> 00:45:07,730 no there isn't Hey ladies what are you 1069 00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:10,220 arguing about Joe thinks unicorns are 1070 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:13,700 real they fo are let's look this up in 1071 00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:17,210 the skeptics dictionary the word how can 1072 00:45:21,790 --> 00:45:19,460 we do that in this park there are no 1073 00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:21,800 computers here you ladies probably don't 1074 00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,110 know about the skeptics dictionary app 1075 00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:27,200 available now for iPhone iPad and iPod 1076 00:45:32,290 --> 00:45:30,320 touch in the app store yeah we do we've 1077 00:45:36,490 --> 00:45:32,300 been listening to the skeptic zone for 1078 00:45:38,830 --> 00:45:36,500 years you know yes ok the app lets you 1079 00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:38,840 access all the great skeptics dictionary 1080 00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:42,560 articles when you're on the go yeah let 1081 00:45:48,580 --> 00:45:45,380 me look up unicorns oh cool Heidi 1082 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:48,590 prepare to be proven wrong it says here 1083 00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:50,810 the Unicorn is a creature from fables 1084 00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:54,140 aha actually I see now that someone just 1085 00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:55,640 dumped their ice cream cone on that 1086 00:46:00,700 --> 00:45:58,370 horse's head thanks technician their 1087 00:46:06,070 --> 00:46:00,710 iphone app that's just some guy in these 1088 00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:06,080 undies son in you and me and all the 1089 00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:08,900 stars of need to see I'm moving at a 1090 00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:12,920 million miles a day in the outer spiral 1091 00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:14,270 arm 1092 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:17,270 thousand miles without the galaxy we 1093 00:46:26,860 --> 00:46:24,770 call them Milky Way well it's another 1094 00:46:28,750 --> 00:46:26,870 successful skeptic am so fired jason 1095 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:28,760 brown oh there's still time Richard it 1096 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:31,130 could all go wrong it could we've got 1097 00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:32,690 the choir out there singing the galaxy 1098 00:46:36,730 --> 00:46:34,310 song we've got cupcakes happening right 1099 00:46:39,220 --> 00:46:36,740 now cupcake camp is on as we speak yeah 1100 00:46:41,830 --> 00:46:39,230 so uh this is the first one for a little 1101 00:46:48,310 --> 00:46:41,840 while it's been yeah 18 months since the 1102 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:48,320 last one roughly 19 maybe 18 to 19 1103 00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:49,970 months since the last one yeah around 1104 00:46:54,750 --> 00:46:52,430 that same to me I work the University 1105 00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:54,760 here in Sydney the University of our 1106 00:47:00,010 --> 00:46:57,140 duty s university of technology sydney 1107 00:47:01,570 --> 00:47:00,020 yeah yes I just find room we got here we 1108 00:47:02,860 --> 00:47:01,580 got into the area outside that's a 1109 00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:02,870 fantastic so it's going to smell like 1110 00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:04,580 this one yeah it's going quite well yeah 1111 00:47:09,130 --> 00:47:07,760 yeah so how if someone around the world 1112 00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:09,140 in their city of thinking themselves to 1113 00:47:13,630 --> 00:47:10,640 ear skip the camp might be a good idea 1114 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:13,640 for our city how how do people go about 1115 00:47:18,430 --> 00:47:15,890 it well it's pretty easy it's an open 1116 00:47:21,310 --> 00:47:18,440 format you just find a room invite a 1117 00:47:24,190 --> 00:47:21,320 bunch of people and off you go but 1118 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:24,200 there's this help at skeptic amp dot org 1119 00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,450 I believe that is the global and also 1120 00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,160 skeptic mi Australia the org has some 1121 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:31,280 guidelines yeah this only one or two 1122 00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:34,210 little rules allow everyone speak and 1123 00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:37,220 make you free if you can basically there 1124 00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:38,870 and it works pretty well I think that's 1125 00:47:42,430 --> 00:47:40,760 it ok I think we better get out there 1126 00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:42,440 you go to us all the cupcakes oh yeah 1127 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:50,160 it's Ruth Alison truth we're gazing upon 1128 00:47:54,990 --> 00:47:52,930 the cupcakes what can you say a casa 1129 00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:55,000 hello and goodbye and so what we've got 1130 00:48:00,270 --> 00:47:58,030 today is a very uh coholic Irish cupcake 1131 00:48:03,390 --> 00:48:00,280 we've got a Guinness in the base and 1132 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:03,400 it's got a whiskey ganache inside which 1133 00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:04,810 ones which ones that's the one right on 1134 00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,550 the end with a green with a green yes a 1135 00:48:10,050 --> 00:48:08,800 green ones go a little Irish theme and 1136 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:10,060 the topping is that your Bailey's 1137 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:12,850 topping it's not the Protestant versus 1138 00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:15,010 Catholic chart I think you're just 1139 00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:18,880 trying to sway the judges I think I 1140 00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:21,640 might have to partake in that one hand 1141 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:25,780 we might several I think well well thank 1142 00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:28,650 you for making yep no worries and I 1143 00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:39,170 I'm just about to a sample this a 1144 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:49,270 Guinness cupcake oh oh oh that's going 1145 00:48:54,330 --> 00:48:52,690 to be hard to beat well Joe alabaster I 1146 00:48:57,450 --> 00:48:54,340 see it there you're enjoying a cup cake 1147 00:48:58,830 --> 00:48:57,460 too I am enjoying two cupcakes I have 1148 00:49:01,110 --> 00:48:58,840 enjoyed two cupcakes actually I'm on to 1149 00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:01,120 my second one now mmm what was the first 1150 00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:03,640 one the first one was a small one which 1151 00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:06,070 was good because they've got ya several 1152 00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,300 different types of cupcakes here and I 1153 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:09,040 feel like I'm being quite unfair if I'm 1154 00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:11,370 only tasting a couple and judging them 1155 00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:14,200 but I don't think I can eat many more 1156 00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:16,120 than two well as a good skeptical 1157 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:17,980 investigator you're seeking the evidence 1158 00:49:22,890 --> 00:49:20,530 aren't you I am but my sample size is 1159 00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:22,900 limited hmm I think I'll try for another 1160 00:49:28,110 --> 00:49:26,140 limited sample size myself the chocolate 1161 00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:28,120 and white chocolate is very nice thanks 1162 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:34,870 for the tip and the winner as judged by 1163 00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:37,690 everybody here was Ruth Ellison's 1164 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:41,280 Guinness cupcakes 1165 00:50:00,250 --> 00:49:55,050 I don't think this one is from galactic 1166 00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:00,260 central point around every two years 1167 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:03,420 galaxy is only one of millions and 1168 00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:06,090 billions it is amazing and expanding 1169 00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:21,000 universe I'm causes hello an ally Dawson 1170 00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:23,240 to her that the skeptics on podcasts 1171 00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:25,590 boosted year does aashayein Deutschland 1172 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:27,900 and in skeptic a fab and gift / vital 1173 00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:30,330 information newborns on the skeptic 1174 00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:35,280 magazine reserved vvv punt MKV OOP a 1175 00:50:43,340 --> 00:50:40,230 punk talk hv dejala vvv font TV rupee 1176 00:51:00,490 --> 00:50:43,350 Paul talk undaunted off ET on facebook 1177 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:03,050 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1178 00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:05,370 zone goodness me Joe alabaster those 1179 00:51:10,610 --> 00:51:07,740 cupcakes at cupcake skeptic camp were 1180 00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:10,620 pretty damn good and some of them are 1181 00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:14,700 pretty damn busy yeah they were that's 1182 00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:16,230 why though pretty damn good now they 1183 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:17,040 were all they were all fantastic 1184 00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:18,690 congratulations to all the people who 1185 00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:20,910 entered cupcakes and thank you to the 1186 00:51:26,290 --> 00:51:22,980 organizers Dave happy singer Jason and 1187 00:51:31,580 --> 00:51:26,300 Esther your look there goes Fred Oh Fred 1188 00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:31,590 Fred um he's ignoring us no he's poor 1189 00:51:37,850 --> 00:51:34,800 elitist boy I forgot he's a cat they do 1190 00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:37,860 that sort of thing are you sure he 1191 00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,420 thinks he's a cat I don't I think he's 1192 00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,000 again ah that's enough cat talk for this 1193 00:51:46,850 --> 00:51:43,920 week Jarrell abasa thanks again for your 1194 00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:46,860 hard work and your report and joining me 1195 00:51:50,660 --> 00:51:49,080 at skeptic camp and indeed at mind-body 1196 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:50,670 wallet today it's been an absolute 1197 00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,370 pleasure a skeptical weekend well that's 1198 00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:55,440 enough for now until next week this is 1199 00:52:04,400 --> 00:51:57,810 Richard Saunders and Joe alabaster 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